Synopsis Wolf February 7th 2010
February 8, 2010
Dear Friends,
We can summarize matters pertaining to the presence of hydatid disease as follows. As expected, following some time after the spread of wolves, there was the entry of sylvatic hydatid Echinococcus granulosus disease into said wolf populations and associated prey. Earlier on fox tape worm, E. multilocularis had spread into the NW United States and I understand that it is still spreading. This dreaded parasite has been reported from foxes and coyotes. Since E. multilocularis has been reported from wolves in Europe, and since wolves may be avid “mousers”, opportunity permitting, it is likely that E. multulocularis will be reported in American wolves as well. As you are aware E. multilocularis cycles primarily between canids and rodents (mainly voles). Moreover, since the pastoral type of E. granulosus is found cycling between domestic sheep and dogs further south, it is likely that, in time, stray wolves will pick up this variant of hydatid disease. Consequently, we expect wolves, eventually, to be carriers of sylvatic, pastoral and alveolar hydatid disease.
You may have noticed that there is some discrepancy in the accounts of hydatid disease emanating from wildlife agencies as opposed to accounts by clinicians. My understanding of hydatid disease, which I have carried with me ever since my student days over 40 years ago, matches that of the clinicians. It is a silent disease, difficult to diagnose, with little specificity in symptoms, gradually developing worse over 10-20 years, and, depending on the location and number of cysts, ranging in effects from benign to lethal. It is particularly dangerous to anyone engaged in an active, sporting lifestyle, since blows to the body can lead to rupture of cysts with dreadful consequences, and prolonged, costly treatment. Alveolar hydatid disease in particular is likely to be lethal.
It is well known that domestic dogs play a very large risk factor in hydatid disease. Unlike in Northern Canada or Alaska, in the West one is dealing with much greater densities of people, dogs and carrier species such as deer or elk. High incidents of the parasite in wolves and coyotes and a high infestation rate with cysts in lungs and liver of deer and elk, put at risk the ranching, farming and rural communities. In winter time deer and elk will frequently be found on ranches close to communities. Dogs from ranches, farms and hamlets will have access to winter killed carcasses of deer and elk as well as to offal left in the field during the hunting season. Once infected with dog tape worm, the ranch and house dogs will contaminate the yard, porches, living rooms etc with hydatid eggs. There is no escape from this! Ten to twenty years down the road, hydatid disease will raise its head, in particular in persons who as toddlers crawled over floors walked over by people and dogs carrying in hydatid eggs from the outside. Please inform yourself what this is likely to mean in terms of prognosis, suffering and costs!
We know that in the past there were attempts in Finland and in Russia to eliminate, or at least control hydatid disease. In Finland the eradication of hydatid disease was accomplished by diminishing wolf numbers and treating domestic dogs with antihelmithic drugs. I am suggesting that eliminating hydatid disease be discussed, and suggest the following approach.
1.) Assuming the number of wolf packs can be reduced so as to retain a vibrant, abundant prey base, that developmental studies proceed on how to create bait stations that are accepted by wolves, with bait containing anti-helminthic drugs that are readily eaten by wolves. I am aware that this will not be a quick project. Rather I expect that wolves will accept bait stations, let alone the bait, only very gradually. It will take time, experimentation and sophisticated know how to make bait stations operational. However, once accepted by wolves, the bait stations will break the hydatid cycle between wolves and ungulates. Over time, this will lead to diminished infections of deer and elk, and this with re-infection with the parasite by wolves and coyotes.
2.) Unfortunately, under moist and cold conditions hydatid eggs remain viable for months and may even infect after three and a half years. Under dry, hot conditions the eggs die quickly. Burning the under story in forests will not eliminate the dangers from hydatid eggs, but will certainly reduce such. It’s a policy worth looking at.
3.) Simultaneously, a thorough campaign must be initiated to regularly de-worm dogs in danger areas as well as encourage specific hygienic measures. Here it means winning the ears and the trust of the rural communities.
Finally we have to look to history. Wolves have been exterminated from lived in landscapes universally because they, or their diseases, posed a serious threat to affected people, livestock and wild life. The lessons from history are that we can at best live with wolves if such are relatively few, the abundance of natural prey is high, and the risk from diseases non existent. We have the means and intelligence to achieve such.
Sincerely,
Val Geist, PhD., Professional Biologist
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science
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Superior Priest Maughan has told his flock Val Geist is a wolf hater, the government has claimed their scientists have the truth.. Thus The environmentalist Church with it’s several Priests will continue to ignore Val Geist, and the real eye witness accounts on the actual ground close to the wolves. It reminds of the Bible, 50% prophecy with 90% of those prophecies being found to be correct by several Archeologists and various other Science and math Phds.. Val Geist predicted wolves would cause several things to occur once reintroduced into the three states of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming.. He has been correct on all counts to date.. Priest Maughan, who held offices in the Sierra Club, at one time serving as the Regional Vice President of the Club for the Pacific Northwest Region and has been a long-time member of Western Watersheds Project, and sits on its Board of Directors. And has in the past been on its Science Advisory Board. and has been a member of the organization since it was first formed as the Idaho Watersheds Project is Superior and infallible just like a priest… Expect many people to become sick in the future from this disease and still the truth to be ignored.. Utah would be wise to listen to Val Geist, and ignore the likes of Priest Superior General and high commander of WWP Jon Marvel, Priest Ralph Maughan, Priest Ken Cole, Monk Brian Ertz, Nun Barb Lee Rupers, Mason, Priest, and false prophet Jeremy T. Bruskotter, etc etc.. All false prophets for the Babylonian United Nations Agenda 21 environmentalism Trojan horse of deception..
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Greg,
Argentina has a higher infection rate of Echinococcus granulosus than does North America and yet it has no native Canis species, only mans best friend, the dog. The disease was present in the lower 48 before the reintroduction of wolves.
Oh, and this study comparison between Canada- Idaho and Argentina done by professionals can be read where ?
Have you read the data of human case history from Argentina based on annual findings ?
Which refutes the facts presented by Val Geist, PhD., Professional Biologist Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science. I will be Looking forward to reading the actual study..
Are you predicting the future for Idahoans Sister Lee ?
It is only in my neighborhood not yours so why should I be concerned..
A Priest Maughan Desciple has spoken ^ wow.. I feel blessed.
Greg
I already sent links to studies in California, and Utah prior to the reintroduction. Obviously you didn’t read them or ignored the information provided.
I wasn’t interested in California or Utah, just Idaho.
Greg
That is a narrow view!
I know it is, but I learned it from you.
Greg,
My premise was since this organism is found in many carnivores that live in the lower 48 besides wolves and that domestic sheep are the primary reservoir that the parasite most likely existed prior to the reintroduction of wolves. I found information that supported this position. I never mentioned a “study comparison between Canada- Idaho and Argentina done by professionals”. if I were to find evidence that this disease was present in N Idaho would that be acceptable to you even though central Utah is closer to where you live and more similar in vegetation? Or does the evidence have to come from your back yard – it quite possibly is there since you had a wolf from Canada as a pet. Did it ever occur to you that if the parasite is in neighboring states it is likely to be in Idaho? Is it aware of state lines? Do sheep get moved across state lines? Do elk, deer, coyotes, foxes, and cougar move between states?
Lee, why did you leave out wolves in that last sentence ? Wolves have been coming and going from the northern border for decades to.. The Hydatid was probably here, but now it is going to be more prevalent isn’t it ?
Why have we never seen it, my better half has not found one case in Idaho in ten years, yet..
I have cleaned 25 elk, 24 deer, 100+ beef, a couple cougars, a couple bears, a coyote or two, and no disease, no cysts, I would have noticed as I look at the guts pretty closely.. I used the hearts and livers out of the ungulates..
Well, I did not see the Hydatid. It has been found in the wolves, this first hunt, According to Val we are not seeing the full impact of this Hydatid yet..
We’ll see.
Greg
I left wolves out because I was considering migrations in your area which is far removed from Canada – I am aware that N Idaho and NW Montana were repopulated by wolves moving south and that is why they were not part of the “experimental population” reintroduction in central Idaho and Yellowstone.
I though you ate primarily wild game. What is this 100+ beef butchering? That is over twice the number of elk and deer you have processed. And you don’t utilize the tongue? What a wasted taste, texture treat. Bear liver is probably the best liver I have ever eaten and their fat makes fantastic pie crusts! I once found flukes in an elk liver in NW Montana; preserved them in cognac my dad had brought from France.
Perhaps if you had cleaned sheep you would have come across more of these cysts. It is very possible that the resident ungulates, both native and introduced, as alternate hosts, infected the reintroduced wolves.
Evidently you must have missed this:
“We can summarize matters pertaining to the presence of hydatid disease as follows. As expected, following some time after the spread of wolves, there was the entry of sylvatic hydatid Echinococcus granulosus disease into said wolf populations and associated prey. Earlier on fox tape worm, E. multilocularis had spread into the NW United States and I understand that it is still spreading. This dreaded parasite has been reported from foxes and coyotes. Since E. multilocularis has been reported from wolves in Europe, and since wolves may be avid “mousers”, opportunity permitting, it is likely that E. multulocularis will be reported in American wolves as well. As you are aware E. multilocularis cycles primarily between canids and rodents (mainly voles). Moreover, since the pastoral type of E. granulosus is found cycling between domestic sheep and dogs further south, it is likely that, in time, stray wolves will pick up this variant ofhydatid disease. Consequently, we expect wolves, eventually, to be carriers of sylvatic, pastoral and alveolar hydatid disease.
You may have noticed that there is some discrepancy in the accounts of hydatid disease emanating from wildlife agencies as opposed to accounts by clinicians”
There are three variants of hydatid disease: pastoral, sylvatic and alveolar. All are variant strains and all are carried and spread in similar yet different ways.
I do believe she accused me of not reading a while back. Hmmm.
Sheep causing the spread of hydatid ? Sounds conspiratorial to me.. Those rotten sheep did it again…
I did process the elk, deer, myself, after I field cleaned them. After I killed and field cleaned those beeves they were processed by a butcher, we did not waste the tongue, heart, liver, hide..
I doubt I have eaten two beeves in my lifetime.
I killed three Buffalo with my bow, I cleaned em, processed em, ate em, never noticed any cysts in them…
I’m sticken with Val Geist.. One of the few HONEST Professional Biologists
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences Involved in this epic mistake by deceivers and foolish believers…
The state agencies and the advocate groups are clouding the issue Geist has brought into the light. While they all have and agenda obviously they are accusing Geist of not only being a wolf hater, but of having and agenda. I believe the management these people wish to destroy kept the hydatid contained and the risks of human contamination low. The transferring of wild animals across states lines and reintroducing or just relocating them, and the expansion of predators is going to change that. The conservation wreckers are hell bent with the forced implementation of their evolutionary theology upon all of us whether we want it or not.. These people are insane.
The agenda driven most dumb ass quote of the day, coming from a guy who lives in a city 200+ miles from the Sawtooth Zone, where I.D.F.G. biologists have admitted wolf predation is the number one reason elk are in decline. After i might add, several people who actually live in this area have said this is happening since 2003.. Of course it is impossible to discuss this with Maughan because he will delete the comments of those who oppose him.. He reminds of a few Roman Catholics I know.
” wolves don’t destroy any property except a minor take of some livestock, they haven’t attacked or killed anyone, there is no proof they reduce elk and deer numbers over any broad area they inhabit. They are no more prone to diseases humans can get than any other carnivore. Opposition to them (Wolves) is mostly based on cultural tradition, political opportunism, and generational ignorance. “—Priest Maughan– February 10, 2010..
Ralph, I completely disagree with you., As well Sir, Not only do I think you are and intentional deciever, you are also a coward.
A Well Known Case History of Wolf-Human Encounters in Alaska and Canada is a REALITY Mister Maughan !!
http://www.nina.no/archive/nina/PppBasePdf/oppdragsmelding/2002/731.pdf
http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/appendix-a-pavlov.pdf
http://rliv.com/wolf/DeathsByWolves.pdf
http://www.mexicanwolf.0catch.com/Human%20Toll%20articles/e-liite%202%20Hazaribagh%20wolves.pdf
http://westinstenv.org/wp-content/Geist_when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans.pdf
When the wolves finish the wipe outs of ungulates in Idaho, they will attack more livestock, and hiking will become more dangerous, and many wolves are going to be shot for attempting to come after people..