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Maine Hunters Are Mad And Justly So……..For Many Reasons

December 10, 2009


Better communication can resolve a lot of problems in our world. In the converse, lack of such can cause things to spin drastically out of control. Maine hunters, particularly deer hunters, are quite angry and I believe they are justified in at least some of their anger. All they are getting are excuses.

It is no secret the past winters of 2006/2007 and 2007/2008 were tough on the Maine whitetail deer herds. I think I read someplace recently that these two winters, back to back, ranked 3rd and 9th worse in the state’s history, but they obviously weren’t the worst.

The causes for the lack of deer in Maine are complex and hunters don’t feel they are being given the courtesy of a better explanation other than winters are tough, habitat is shrinking, excuses ad nauseum. While both bad winters and shrinking habitat are as true as true can be, hunters feel more could be done to protect the deer herds and should have been done before now. This order of frustration has been building over the past two deer hunting seasons in particular, culminating this year with one of the most dismal of seasons that old timers can recall.

Lee Kantar, head deer and moose biologist at the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife, predicted this passing deer season would be bleak. He was right.

But that still isn’t cutting it for the hunters.

I have written in previous articles about things I think at least might be considered as ways of helping to recover a whitetail deer herd. I won’t take up space in this post to go through them again. Click here for the latest article on this issue and links to previous posts.

Let me hit briefly on the excuses being thrown out to Maine hunters about what happened to their deer herd or would I be more accurate to say the MDIFW’s deer herd, as ownership seems a bit fuzzy?

1). Severe winters
2). Loss of Habitat and Winter yarding areas
3). Predation

It should be made clear that in my opinion, I think the biggest reason hunters are mad is because they are not getting their questions answered satisfactorily and in some cases are not being treated in the manner they should be. Let’s face it, MDIFW has an uphill battle to maintain a good relationship with the public. It’s way beyond that when it comes to dealing with the license-paying hunters. They demand action for the dollars they’ve invested. But lest we forget who pays the bills? And therein lies perhaps the biggest rub.

It is my feeling, and I am far from alone, that the hunters, who have forked over the money for years for game management are being taken advantage of or at least they are perceiving it that way. This comes out in several ways but let me touch on a couple very quickly.

You don’t have to be a college educated researcher to understand that MDIFW spends way too much time addressing non-game issues, i.e. search and rescue, non-game wildlife, catering to wildlife viewers, who don’t give a dime to the cause, and spending far too much time in litigation with animal rights groups. Some of that comes from taking up a position of weakness from the MDIFW but that’s another day.

When license-paying hunters see this, combined with the reality they’ve spent a lot of money and can’t even imagine a deer in the woods, they want answers not excuses.

What this is all boiling down to is a simple matter of communication. Stop with the excuses nobody wants to hear anymore. Address the hunters as real people. They may not be all college educated but they are nobody’s fool either. Some greenhorn, wet-behind-the-ears biologists has years to go before he’ll grasp as much knowledge as some of these seasoned, crusty old Mainers.

What matters is us license buyers give fish and game people a job and too often it is forgotten. These hunters deserve more than they are getting and I’m not talking about bigger deer herds. They want officials in Augusta to tell them, we believe what you are seeing in the woods is real. They want a biologist to admit that mistakes have been made. Instead of a wildlife official telling the hunters if they don’t like the coyote situation, that’s your problem. Go do something about it. Perhaps MDIFW would be well served to assume a little ownership too. Maybe for once they could just admit that there are too many coyotes, especially now that our deer herds are in trouble. They could better support efforts to focus predator reduction around winter deer yards instead of echoing the same hollow rhetoric that predator management won’t work. If a handful of deer can be saved this way, the resulting effort is far more positive than sitting in Augusta waiting for the weather to change but more importantly, it gives hunters back their sense of inclusion and ownership. Is that all bad?

One of the biggest complaints I hear from hunters when states absorb their fish and game interests into bigger government bureaucracies, like natural resources or conservation departments, is their loss of being a part of the wildlife management process. Communication disappears and nobody in the BIG government listens.

Travis Barrett, a public relations representative for MDIFW, has his own blog now. In a post dated 12/8/09 Barrett attempts to address hunters about their concerns over an overgrown population of coyotes and what MDIFW is going to do about it. His answer, while truthful, certainly didn’t use a very good approach if he really thought it would appease the angry hunters. I think he actually thought it more of a joke. His answer was, “Coyotes can be controlled by you.”

Maine has a year-round, open hunting season on coyotes during daylight hours (1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset). It also has a more than 6-month night hunting season on coyotes.

For just $4 for the permit, you can kill as many coyotes as you wish. Day after day after day after day…

There is also an extended opportunity to trap coyotes, again with no bag limits.

Notice there is no ownership of this problem by MDIFW. Nope! The thrust of the answer is, quit your complaining. If you don’t like there being too many coyotes, go kill some. While hunters need to do exactly as Barrett is suggesting, this is poor public relations.

George Smith, Executive Director of the Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine, in his blog dated, December 3, 2009, he shares with us his notes and observations from the latest meeting of the Deer Task Force. If you haven’t read it all the way through yet, you should. The tone of the meeting that I derived from Smith’s blog certainly wasn’t encouraging as it pertained to Maine’s northern deer herd. In fairness though, there was a lot of good discussion about positive initiatives, etc.

I went away from reading this information feeling quite frankly as though MDIFW has no interest in putting any effort or resources into recovering the Northern Maine deer herd.

Stadler said lack of wintering area, including fragmentation of habitat, is the primary biological fact and “the forests of northern Maine are no longer biologically capable of supporting deer.” The driving factor is the poor winter cover.

We have coyotes in central and southern Maine, but winter cover is better in those areas so we have more deer, reported Stadler.

The reality seems to be that we will not rebuild the deer herd in the north in the short term.

Representatives of MDIFW made it a point that they have no resources available anyway; another excuse hunters want answers for.

George does bring up something he addressed the group with.

I offered the group these thoughts. Deer hunters are angry, casting blame widely, demanding fast action on all problems. Nonresident deer hunters have abandoned Maine causing severe economic loss in the outdoor industry and damaging DIF&W. It’s not good enough to say we’ll come back in a year and see what’s happened. We need real accountability and commitments now. Sportsmen also want to know what they can do and we need to provide that information.

Hunters don’t want to hear that MDIFW has no resources to do this. This is what they pay their money for and now there are no resources. Why? Because in my opinion, too many resources are being used on non-game issues. Lawsuits and the screaming, demanding wildlife viewers get the attention because MDIFW doesn’t want to deal with more lawsuits. Resources are drained and diverted away from game management.

We hear repeatedly that MDIFW has to consider all the “social” ramifications of its wildlife management decisions. It is true we can’t ignore the general public about such issues but when hunters see their investment being hijacked because of “social” issues, its going to make them angry.

While much of the information discussed at the Deer Task Force meeting that George Smith has shared with us all, is probably factual, how it is being dealt with is not doing anything to keep the hunter happy. When MDIFW loses sight of who pays their salaries, perhaps it’s time for major changes. Maybe Maine needs new leadership from the governor on down.

The question also becomes, why has it come to the point of staring down the barrel that Northern Maine’s whitetail deer population is gone? Did it have to come to such a drastic crossroad? We cannot control the weather but let’s be honest. Maine has always had stretches of bad weather and we’ve hung on.

Kantar points out that in the bad snow years of the late 60s and early 70s, the Northern Maine herd survived better then because there was more wintering habitat. Nobody will argue that fact, but still the question remains, did MDIFW plan for bad winters AND the loss of habitat other than talk about it? The fact is those winter deer yards didn’t just disappear last week. We all should have been more proactive, more aggressively dealing with the issue. The truth is we weren’t and now we are paying for it.

Here’s another factor that I’m sure will anger some and begin driving a wedge between hunters and outfitters; something that can’t happen. According to Smith’s accounting, it was asked if MDIFW planned on doing anything about reducing the bear population in areas where deer herds are suffering to help alleviate the predation; a suggestion I have had for some time.

Jim Tobin asked why we aren’t expanding bear hunting opportunities or bag limits. The answer is that the bear hunting outfitters oppose an increase in the bear harvest, and fear anything that opens up bear hunting to another referendum. Stadler said DIF&W was simply following the recommendations of the Predation Task Force.

We’re all in this together, aren’t we? I have no issue with outfitters trying to make a living and I certainly understand their concerns about being fearful of lawsuits and referendums but doesn’t anyone else see the anger that will arise when regular “Joe”, who’s mad as hell because the deer are gone, discovers the outfitters are making the decisions as to what is best for the protection and rebuilding of a seriously depleted deer herd? Now hunters will question the make up of the Predator Task Force. Perhaps Baldacci needs to form another “task force”. And doesn’t Stadler’s response sound more like a cop out?

These are only some of the issues that hunters see and are angry about. They are not getting any satisfactory answers. An employee of the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife, it would seem, would be seriously concerned about keeping a job. Are they not biting the hand that feeds them?

George Smith is right. Out-of-state hunters will not come to Maine and hunt, at least not for a long time. That’s big revenue loss. Without it, someone has to go at MDIFW.

But what could be worse than losing all that license revenue from out-of-state hunters? Simple. Losing resident hunters as well. They will get fed up with spending money each year to go walk around the woods looking at coyote tracks and recalling the days when there used to be a lot of deer around. Maine hunters are very supportive of fish and game interests and are willing to cough up more money when they are convinced the money is well spent. Trust me. They are not convinced!

Maine should be very happy they have Gerry Lavigne. He understands the problems and he sees Maine hunters are not going to get any help from MDIFW. They don’t see coyote predation as a problem. Travis Barrett was right. Hunters need to take this matter into their own hands and go kill coyotes. This is no joke! They need to kill as many as they can. They are like rodents and need to be kept in smaller numbers. They carry and spread disease and in numbers too great, they destroy other parts of our ecosystems.

Lavigne is taking positive steps to do something about predation. He spells it out here and here. My advice to you is to stop looking at MDIFW for help. They have their agendas and it isn’t necessarily the same as yours. If you think coyotes are killing all the deer in your favorite hunting grounds, it’s time to do something about it.

I wrote back last May what has now become the obvious. I said that the reality was that MDIFW did not have the resources to manage whitetail deer in Northern Maine. I’ve explained what I think is the reason, so what are we going to do about it? Should we let Baldacci create a bigger governmental kibosh by combining several agencies or are we going to demand that our investment into game management be better looked after?

I will repeat myself. Managing deer in Maine is a serious and complex undertaking. I am willing to believe that what the majority of Maine’s wildlife officials are telling us is true, even though I know many readers will not concur. Winters can be severe and will be again. Habitat has been reduced and efforts are underway to find a cure. I think MDIFW discounts the negative effects of large predators on our deer. I don’t. But the two biggest issues I have right now are these.

1). What got us to the point we are at now?, and
2). MDIFW needs to do a far better job in public relations than they are.

They need to stop putting down the hunters and ridiculing them for sharing their frustrations and on-the-ground observations. The also need to spend less of our time and money on non-game issues and get back to the business of managing game.

Maine cannot afford to lose its deer herd and it will never survive without the average “Joe” buying his license every year. Make all the excuses in the world as to what happened to the deer herd but there is no real excuse for poor communications and lousy public relations.

Tom Remington

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19 Responses to “Maine Hunters Are Mad And Justly So……..For Many Reasons”

  1. Richard Paradis on December 10th, 2009 1:13 pm

    Tom, just getting ready to print your article to read while in my easy chair – a quick perusal leads me to beieve you got the Maine winters too far behind.

    Should it be this past winter 2008/2009 and the previous winter 2007/2008?

    You hsve 2005/2006 and 2006/2007 . Now, that Florida sun plays tricks on the mind and all that, still….

    The pictures from the top of Noyes Mountain were spectacular.

  2. Tom Remington on December 10th, 2009 1:56 pm

    I went round and round on those years and thought I had them right but not. They should be 2006/2007 and 2007/2008. Last winter was not that bad by comparison. Now I got to go change the dates.

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  4. Richard Paradis on December 10th, 2009 4:17 pm

    Dunno… I thought it was this past winter and the one before.

    Why else would we see such a reduction in the deer population this year after the major drop last fall. I

    t is the past two hunting seasons that have witnessed the severest drop and the winter before them was the likely culprit.

    I did read your excellent article – twice – and will have some comments later this evening.

  5. Tom Remington on December 10th, 2009 5:37 pm

    I took the statement I made about the lag in the two winters from an email I got from Lee Kantar. After the first winter (whatever the hell year that was, Ha Ha), he said the winter kill on deer was quite severe. After the second winter he further lamented on the effects of the harsh winter but said two years after the first bad winter (again, whatever year that was) would be when we would notice no deer. That prediction as I recall it, put it smack dab in the middle of this hunting season just ending.

  6. Jeremiah Wood on December 11th, 2009 12:47 am

    Tom,
    This is a great post. Thanks for keeping the process of deer management in northern Maine on the forefront of our minds. There is no question that we need to kill more coyotes, but this will not occur during the necessary time periods without changes in trapping regulations and more financial incentive to kill predators. I also believe that more farming activity (which has been decreasing over the past 40 or so years) would help our deer population in northern Maine.

    I am sure glad that I currently live in an area in Montana where deer populations are through the roof, but hope to see increased deer populations when I return to Maine someday.

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  9. Paul on December 13th, 2009 2:02 pm

    As an avid hunter, I must take issue with your perception of our sport. Hunting is a privilege and used to manage wildlife populations. What you are suggesting is that we possess a right to hunt deer (or other animals). This simply isn’t the case. We take the excess after weather, predation, etc. have been accounted for. This is not your private game preserve, and the coyotes are an important part of the ecosystem. This is all about checks and balances. We need to whole picture (hunters included) and not just one aspect of it.

    Your skewed perspective is why we have biologists manage this. We need people who have an understanding of the whole picture and not just one aspect of it. Lets just leave the management to the experts, who have been doing a great job and hope that we have some more mild winters to help boost herd numbers.

  10. Tom Remington on December 13th, 2009 5:19 pm

    And how’s that all working out for you?

  11. Kurt Lane on December 19th, 2009 6:03 pm

    Paul is an avid hunter? I don’t think so. Complete WAM propaganda.
    While it is true that hunters need to be more proactive in regards to predation,our State refuses to allow us to use the tools needed to be effective.
    Only when we rise up and make more noise than the animal rights groups will we win them. We need to change what is politicaly correct when it comes to our wildlife management.

  12. jes on December 20th, 2009 1:29 pm

    Kurt, these “animal rights enthusiasts” like Paul, always take the label of “hunter” to try and get other hunters to notice them, that way they can cause division and distention, and as the old adage goes, the way they can win is to “divide and conquer”…Just ask them a question any hunter could answer, and you will have them in the cold lurch…(that’s like the blind staggers…)

    We have found the truth about the “wildlife biologists”, and the truth is, is they are politically motivated, much the same as most science that is funded by politically influenced funds…..So, basically, the only way to make an influence felt is to “motivate” the politicians… by petitions, picketing, and rallys that show them the power of the people. It’s a shame we have to in order to preserve our heritage, but unless we adopt the same tactics that the animal rights groups do, we risk loosing that RIGHT….

  13. Dan on January 6th, 2010 12:00 pm

    I’m tried of hearing about what MIFW should be doing , and coyotes killing off our deer…..The question is, what are you the hunter doing to protect our deer herd ,for our kids. I’ll tell you what…….(nothing) you cry and bell-ache and kill off all the does and lambs like there is plenty deer. At less I did take some responsible and stop killing does and lambs 15 years ago. If all the deer hunters did this, would there be more deer,maybe!!!!!! At less there would be a chance of a sustainable popution for the future. Face it,we the hunters are part of the problem to the decline in the deer popution….Yes, MIFW has make uncoventional and careless dicision which has resulted in a dramatic and quite possibly an unsustainable decline in our deer herd. But havn’t you the hunter been doing the same for years, don’t tell me as a woodsmen if you are just a weekend hunter, that you havn’t seen the decline in the deer popution in the last 10 years and did nothing. alot of you….just didn’t care as long as you could kill a deer. tell me the truth did ever think about the future of hunting when you was killing off, the does and lambs or the future of hunting for our kids. its time for the hunter to take some of blame and do something about it. BE responsible for the sport of hunting ……if you don’t care,MIFW sure ain’t……they showed that by give out 45,000 antless permits this year 2009

  14. Dan on January 6th, 2010 1:42 pm

    One more thing to think about…….The deer kill has never been so low, as the last 10 years. Why do I say that………Because MIFW is using seventy’s and eighty as a low count….with todays recorded kill . which is not true. I’m not sure of the year, they use, I think it’s 1985 or 1986 that MIFW uses to compare as one of the lowes years. But the kill was still over 19000. What they are not saying is we only had NOV to hunt, 26 days. Today, they are using 4 months of deer season…..to get a little over 20,000. the seasons are expanded acrhy sept, archy oct, rife nov. black power dec………To compare lets just use Nov for the last 10 years with their game management progam……I think they would be lucky to get 10,000 in Nov. So the seventy and eighty wasn’t that bad……you need to see the whole picture, not half to get the real truth. With our deer herd declining, MIFW JUST KEEPS ADDING MORE SEASONS TO KEEP YEARLY DEER KILL UP!!!!! Does anyone remember when we use to kill does weighting 170 and 180, today lucky to get one weighting 130. I guess so days are gone!!!!! less deer , health herd or more deer , health herd….Whats going to happen when us old woodsman are gone , who really knows when we are being lied to by MIFW. The young people are so easy to lie too.( They don’t have an idea of what is going on.) The time of the real woodsman is gone like the deer.

  15. steve on January 8th, 2010 3:18 pm

    Started hunting in allagash, ME about 18 years ago. I knew that the deer population was not as high as my home state of MASS but wanted to expeirience “big woods hunting”. Met the nicest people ever and i return annually more to visit them than to bag a big buck (would be nice though). I hunt the week of Thanksgiving because snow usually aids my hunting party in tracking deer. Antlerless tags have NEVER been available during the years that i have hunted in allagash. Although bad winters may be the primary reason for a much smaller deer herd (i feel coyotes are the primary reason), i have seen the yarding areas become clear-cuts in many areas (with the past couple of extreme winters this must really hurt the herd). But in 1991 i saw a total of 53 deer (11 bucks) and one coyote/wolf (must have been60-70lbs), in 9 days of hunting. Each year following i have seen the deer count that i see get lower and the coyote count get higher. In 2009 i only hunted 4 days in the same location i saw 1 doe and 7 coyotes. when the winters are as bad as the past couple the deer herd becomes easy prey for the growing numbers of coyotes/wolfs. We can not control mother nature but we can control how the lumber industry treats areas that deer yard and we must control the ever expanding coyote population. I love the state I love the local people & I love the north maine woods but i do not know if i will be returning anytime soon because the deer population needs a rest. not that i have made a dent (one very nice buck in 18 years). I may shoot small spikes at home in mass. but would not shoot an immature deer up in the allagash. sorry to ramble like this i just felt the need to vent.

  16. Steven Allen on January 16th, 2010 12:52 am

    we need to join together and start telling the state how we want them to spend our money. Lets put the days of mismanagement and nonmanagement behiend us. If deer yards are the problem lets start purchasing deer yards so they can be managed properley. If coyotes are the problem lets remove them at any cost. We cant prevent severe winters but we can start supplemental feeding programs. Deer getting hit in roadways lets install speed bumps and enforce speed at known deer crossings. Sound like drastic measures yes, but we have no other choice. The time and place to start managing our deer herd is now and here. Deer are what makes Maine the way life should be,they are important to the economy. lets make a change and be able to someday say proudley ,that Maine is the place to hunt before it’s to late. Can we blame anyone for going to illinois, kansas and several other well manged places to hunt ? Other states have realized the great profit potential of well managed hunting lets not be ashamed to follow.

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