“Wolves Will Thrive Despite Recent Hunts”
November 16, 2009
William F. Jasper, the New American, pens an article looking into the controversies behind the wolf reintroductions of 1993 up until the present. It’s an excellent piece and one I’m sure will anger the wolf crazies because there will never be enough wolves to squelch their anger and hatred toward reasonable, balanced thinkers.
Tom Remington
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Mentalism isn’t name-calling; but try explaining it to one who is…., and the screaming begins.
good article
If wolves are anything like the coyote you need not worry. They will always be around.
Just like they always were..
I like the comment by “hunter tim” on
http://www.huntandtell.com/2009/06/18/huge-wolf/
That picture has been floating around awhile. It seems nothing can be verified about it.. The author of the article below has always been credible, I did try to contact Don for more info about this story but he had been sick, and recently died.. The wolf to me only looks to be about 130-40 pounds, I had a German Shepard that size or larger.. I am six foot tall, 195 pounds, and athletic, and I have killed 180 pound deer, and I could not hold them like this guy is holding this 180-or-197 wolf.. BS. Maybe with help getting it up off the ground I could, dead bodies are really hard to pick up..
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20090623.htm
Lee, try these first couple of photos for size…..http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_002.htm
You might listen to the rest of it as well, if you can stomach it…(oh, I’m sorry, tummy it…)
Jes, thanks. i hadn’t seen any of these before. Wolf lovers Suck.
Greg, I agree that this picture has been around for a while; you posted it once to show how large wolves possibly could be. I was so impressed that i saved it in my dead mammals photo folder.
I accept as reasonable your estimate for the weight of this wolf is about 130- 40 pounds Also that picking up about 190 pounds by a normal healthy male would be a task.; no way could I do it. As you say, BS; or was that supposed to be PS?
I’ve been over at the MISCONCEPTIONS blog again, that place is great for laughs..But sometimes it can make you down right sick, here is the comment by the Southwest Director of IDFG,
Mark Gamblin (IDFG) Says:
November 17, 2009 at 9:25 PM
http://wolves.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/montana-wolf-hunt-to-end-today/#comment-92683
There are several important misconceptions in this thread:
“…Idaho’s Fish and Game Commissioners are thinking of being duplicitous and extending the wolf season in some parts of Idaho’s already overlong season.”
There is nothing duplicitous about considering or acting to extend the wolf hunting season. This statement misses the point. The Fish and Game Commission is the decision making body with authority to manage the state’s wildlife resources – in this case wolves. The management objective for this hunting season is the harvest/kill limit, apportioned among the wolf hunting zones – not the length of the season. Those management objectives are unlikely to be met by a large margin in several wolf management zones. Far from being duplicitious, the Commission would be consistent to those management objectives and it’s responsibilities to consider extending the season to achieve the objectives.
“If Molloy allows the delisting to stand the future seasons will be harsher in both states. They’ll have free rein over the wolves and that will be the end of the them, period.”
Of course, if Idaho and Montana retain management authority for wolves, those populations will continue to thrive, as they are now. It is not in any state’s interest to see a species return to ESA protected status and both states are solidly committed to managing for vibrant, healthy wolf populations in their respective borders. The size of those wolf populations, balancing the benefits of wolves with the benefits of other wildlife resources and private property for society is the dynamic process we are really discussing.
“If the hunt is extended and if the numbers are somehow manipulated to mean a larger number of wolves will be shot, there’s your bad faith…”
Extending the season to achieve the harves/kill limit objectives for key wolf management zones is the only potential change on the agenda for the Commission meeting this week.
“So with more elk today than ever, and fifteen years of 200+ lb., killing machine canadian gray wolves it seems your hunting opportunities havn’t been reduced too much.”
Hunting opportunities for the Idaho public are indeed being reduced by wolf predation in important portions of the state. The Commission and IDFG are balancing the needs and desires of Idahoans for hunting and wildlife veiwing opportunities with balanced wolf and other big game management plans.
“It’s called a “trophic cascade”. I’m not making this stuff up….here’s an aritcle by Oregon State researcher Cristina Eisenberg, who’s been tromping around the North Fork studying wolves for years. She states that aspen ecosystems are some of the richest song bird habitat anywhere. Wolves increase biodiversity, that’s a fact. Her research may change everything, especically the way the wolves and other predators are “managed”.”
Trophic Cascade as a theory has it’s origins in the discipline of aquatic ecology. While the theoretical concept of trophic cascade is widely accepted, the application of the theory to predict or identify the effects of one species (wolves) on a ecosystem is not. There is no research that I am aware of that provides a compelling argument for wolf benefits for aspen communities. YNP research has measured riparian vegetation responses, but not for aspen stands – that I know of. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe the OSU research has been written up, peer reveiwed or published yet. It is especially problematic to argue trophic cascade benefits for wolf introductions where top predators (mountain lions, bears, humans) have exerted profound influences on elk and other large ungulate populations for hundreds of years – outside of the National Parks. Broad, universal ecological benefits of wolf introductions is simply a theory at this time.
“It’s just not only about hunting anymore. Wildlife viewers have as many rights as hunters and we like our wildlife living and breathing.”
It has never been “just about hunting”. It’s been said numerous times in recent threads – contemporary hunting and hunters, through the North American model of wildlife conservation are more responsible than any other segment of society for the recovery and continued wealth of wildlife enjoyed by all Americans and Canadians – including non-hunters. Those healthy wildlife populations (today including wolves, bears, mountain lions and other predators) will continue to provide sustainable benefits for diversity of Idahoans and other citizens of our country.
Jim Richards
“If wolves are anything like the coyote you need not worry. They will always be around”
Coyotes certainly are some what like wolves; however, coyotes survived the great extermination that the wolves encountered. That is what allowed the coyote to expand its range to virtually all of the US,
The wolves will move to the citys soon enough, the Depression is just getting started, the currency has yet to finish it’s collapse, the food shortages, and complete breakdown of services will cause chaos, and death, some violent, some from starvation, sickness, disease. And the wolves will feast on the flesh of the dead as they did in WWII in Russia..
Greg
How long would elk and deer survive in the US if all citizens were to fill their freezer with wild game?
The only citizens capable of doing so are doing so. The city dwellers, I believe 98% of the population would starve to death if they had to go hunting.
I agree the majority would starve if they had to hunt to feed themselves or if it ever comes to where you have to hunt to eat rather than go to the local market the bulk of amercia is in trouble.
Jim, I think the majority of what we call Americans, today, (considering the majority voted for Obama…) would starve themselves down to a respectable weight, if not to death, if they had to fix their own food from scratch….If they had to hunt or grow their own, most would starve.
Greg
As usual you don’t answer the question – you just pass it off and hope that it never comes up again.
My question was “How long would elk and deer survive in the US if all citizens were to fill their freezer with wild game?”
You replied that “The only citizens capable of doing so are doing so. ” I know this is not true because I could kill a deer almost any day of the year from my kitchen window.
As usual you ask dumb questions of no value. All citizens could never fill their freezers with elk and deer, we don’t have 300 million deer, and we don’t have 300 million elk. It simply could not happen at all.. Obviously you are the exception, you own a 30-06, you have a deer outside your kitchen window, you could not kill that deer on any day of the year, that would be unethical, and once you do whack a deer near your house the other deer are going to leave and not come back as often thus limiting your shot opportunity out your kitchen window.. Once the majority of the population finally recognizes what is happening to them in this Nation, Which is the post industrial age and return to wilderness projects of agenda 21, this plan includes genocide, which can go off in many ways, dehydration and starvation, once these “citizens” get it, they will be to far gone to have the energy to hunt.. They will die in riots, and fights over livestock, cattle, sheep, horses, and even dogs, eventually all wild game will be gone, including your predators..This is the insanity you support, known as environmentalism with a liars twist disguised as Conservation, Conservation had been perfected compared to this ESA-Agenda 21 United nations Trojan horse Sustainable Development FOREIGN FOX IN THE HEN HOUSE bunkum crap. You will likely luck out and miss the big chaotic show coming to these lands, But it is coming Barbara, The elites wish to cut the US population by 50% minimum by 2050, FACT. They have started the process.
Why do you use Barb Rupers at Maughans blog but here you use Lee, I’ve asked you this before and you blew it off, whats up with that Barbara ?
That sounds like a tit for tat.
More like Trivial Pursuits.
Greg, you’re not trivial.
I used my middle name on this hunting blog which is patronized predominantly by males.
Early in my life I decided that it would be preferable to be male. How many of you writing to this blog would chose to be a female? Speak up, please!
While in high school I was denied the option of taking certain classes because I was female – engineering drawing and agriculture classes for example. I was required to wear dresses every day (Incuding for the next 20 years regardless of my employment position). In the four years that I was in the Girl’s Athletic Association at Moscow High School we had one “field day” to Lewiston, Idaho (about 40 miles from Moscow) to play volleyball (we won the tournament). Boys were bussed all over the area to various sporting events – I judged it not fair.
Being the first female to graduate from the College of Forestry at the University of Idaho I know there is a lot of discrimination directed toward females especially during the dark ages of the 1950s in a society dominated by males. Originally I had planned to major in wildlife management but soon realized that the prospects for employment in that area was virtually nil so I switched to the chemical wood utilization option. There were no females employed by the USFS (United States Forest Service) in Idaho as “foresters” when I graduated.
As a result of discrimination in Maine (we won’t hire a female for this position) I started teaching at a rural school in Maine.
So, yes, Greg I am currently retired and emptying the coffers of Oregon’s retirement system; another leach that is worthy of bashing.
Well, that should give you plenty of ammunition with which to ridicule me again.
I guessed as much today, or wondered if Lee was your middle name.
We all have been cheated in this life, that is just how it is. We have selected our tribes and nothing has changed, eventually all tribes will get violent, take away peoples lands, foods, water, and other resources, then the fighting goes beyond words.. Those of us in the truth seeking tribe would like non tribal members to awaken to the truths so as to avoid the next big fight..
At best our tribe has slowed events down, but stopped nothing. The blind follow the blind and nothing changes for the better. Nothing. The frogs are almost ready.
Greg
No commeny yet about my perspective regarding the dark ages for female?
Greg
“I guessed as much today, or wondered if Lee was your middle name. ”
What is that you guessed? Did you read any of what is said?
I guessed you would do that, use your middle name. I read your comment. I understand as I watched my mother who is your age go through this nonsense as well. I can not make a judgment on the female versus male position based on having to choose one to stand in. I was raised in a family unit, but mother pursued her goals, Artist, Biblical Scholar, she even built homes, as a building contractor, and she was encouraged to do those things, I grew up sharing all the duties of running a functional house, still do. Unfortunately many who come behind you and I will find a different struggle, which I fear will be far worse than ours has been. You enjoyed Liberty, and success, had you not struggled for it you would appreciate it less. It appears to me you have won.
Thank you Greg.