McCain Picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Already Being Called Wolf Killer
Posted by Tom Remington on August 29, 2008
Not that I think for a minute Alaska Governor Sarah Palin can’t handle herself, having been picked by Senator McCain as a vice-presidential running mate, the animal lovers are already lining up and calling her a wolf killer. Oh, heck! Why not a polar bear killer too!
Gov. Palin supports the use of aerial killing of overgrown populations of wolves in specific areas of Alaska that threaten other species, specifically the caribou and moose, needed for subsistence hunting by the natives. She is also suing the Department of Interior on behalf of the state of Alaska to overturn the DOI’s decision to list the polar bear as a threatened species.
Earlier today, republican candidate for President, Sen. John McCain emailed his supporters with his announcement.
My Friends,
I am honored to announce that I have chosen Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska as my choice for the Republican nominee for Vice President. As a father with three daughters, I can’t express how proud I am to choose the first female Republican Vice-Presidential nominee.
Sarah Palin is a trailblazer and a reformer. As the first female governor of Alaska, she challenged a corrupt system and has been a tireless advocate for reform - passing a landmark bill on ethics reform. She has taken on the old politics in Alaska and reformed the state’s energy industry. She rejects wasteful pork barrel spending. She’s fearless - exactly the type of leader I want at my side and the type of leadership we will bring to Washington.
My friends, together Sarah Palin and I make the strongest presidential ticket and I know that she joins me in asking for your support as we head into our Convention week in Minnesota. We’re shaking things up in this campaign - and Governor Palin and I are ready to bring real reform to Washington.
Personally, I think it was a good pick for him. Let the games begin!
Tom Remington
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Sarah Palin IS a wolf killer. Real hunters that feed for sustenance hunt on foot, not by plane or heli. Aerial hunting for wolves is a trophy sport, and a cruel one at that. It’s not real hunting in the eyes of millions of hunters in America. Your logic is flawed.
ps. I own guns, hunt elk and whitetail for food, flyfish, and support tapping all of our natural resources in this great country.
pss. I’m female.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
P.S. Female Jamohn,
Wolf populations need to be thinned to support other species of game in our forests and hunting wolves on foot will not accomplish the task, state government hunters are not sport hunting they are thinning wolves to lesson the predation damage to moose, caribou, and other hooved animals. Hunting them from aircraft is the only logical process and it works. Hunting from plane or helicopter is illegal except for government hunters and trappers, who you trying to kid ? If we don’t start manageing these wolves we will have no other game to hunt and put on our tables, and the wolves will starve themselves because they will eat them selves out of food, and then move into towns to seek out dogs, cats, cows, sheep, horses, and kids walking home from school, and even adult humans eventually. See wolves in Russia by Will Graves. The American mindset on wolves is 13 years old compared to the Russian and Canadian knowledge and experiance of decades, thus it is your logic which is flawed.
P>S. I hunt and fish, and horse pack, and watch wolves watchimg me do it and its really really fun. I can’t leave my horses picketed out any more and leave them alone to hunt, I wonder how long before my presence in camp won’t stop the wolves from coming in, according to Canadian and Russian Science I don’t have long to wait before it’s a fight just to be out in the woods. Million’s of American hunters and fishermen better get a clue and soon.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Ooh, too scared or manly to hunt the big bad wolf by foot. Wow, I’m amazed that you support aerial hunting. That’s not how the natives did it for hundreds of years! Mother nature did a fine job on it’s own for hundreds of thousands of years. It was humans who messed up the balance. Don’t kid YOURSELF!! Keep the misguiding towards your status-quo ill-informed hunters. You probably think baiting is necessary, too.
McCain just put a nail in his coffin.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Greg, I couldn’t have said it any better, and I am glad you did! Jamohn, as an “older” man who has watched the way we used to have wolves, then decided to exterminate them, I can tell you from experience, that you would never have had any deer or elk to hunt, if we had not gone on an all out effort to get rid of the wolf…And it was never considered sport hunting, using planes to shoot wolves..but it was effective in keeping them in control, that allowed sportsmen to bring back the deer and elk in the numbers that we have today!
August 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
It’s not aerial hunting, airhead, it’s aerial killing! The same as poison and cyanide trapping, and any other method that HAD to be used to bring down the wolf population, so the deer and elk could survive! Maybe you’re a little short in the history end, and I am a little long in the tooth, to listen to impertinence and ignorance.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Almost forget what this post was all about….But anybody that doesn’t appreciate this gal, must approve of corruption in politics, cause she certainly did the job, back when she took the job… check the history of her anti-corruption fight when she took office!
The pro Obama liberals, and the Bush haters, (am I being redundant?) are only doing their job, in saying anything they can to slander the opposition….
Me, I LOVE this gal…God bless her and hers!
August 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
McCain just put that nail in Obama’s coffin pal, Palen is the perfect choice, she is a woman, pro-creationism, pro gun and anti-sodomite marriage.
She will secure public opinion for McCain and thus the “Election.” This move will unite ” conservative ” Catholic’s and ” Conservative ” Protestant’s behind McCain and it will make the pope’s Crusade in the Middle East appear to be Protestant led.
McCain is a “Southern Baptist” and Sarah Palen is an ” Assembly of God”, Now Dobson, Hagee and Robertson can fully support John McCain. As I stated in the past it is a done deal and John McCain has been selected to win the “election.”
Of course the election process in America is rigged by the communists and I refuse to participate other than to fully expose this scam all I can, Neoconism versus marxism is not much of an American choice…..gotta love Palen though standing against sodomite/lap licker marriage.
That said it is sure funny a Colorado hunter with no wolves decimating his state wants to mouth off before living among them his/her self as we do in Idaho, in fact they do not bother me in the least and you cowards better hope I never get to hunt the wolves because I promise you on foot or horse back I have studied these scum wolves for a decade now and could kill them in their beds with ease with knife gun or axe I do not care in the least, I will string their dead carcass’s up for their wolf freinds to see and know that man is the dominant wolf in these mountains, I might even froth at the mouth while doing it.
Come sleep in Idaho’s Frank Church buddy, lets see how well you sleep at night. Try not to let my snoring bother ya.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Who is advising McCain– some drunk?
McCain is NOT going to get any more votes because of choosing Palin — he is not going to get “Hillary votes.” and Palin should stop sucking up to women because it is fake. Hillary’s supporters do not like her.
People who wanted to vote for Hillary are generally not hunters, not conservative, and not members of the NRA.
This makes no sense on McCain’s part and I am guessing he will actually lose votes.
McCain already had the NRA on his side if not for the reason that Republicans would not vote for Obama. He didn’t need more conservatives on his side. McCain needed to come closer to the MIDDLE!
Sarah Palin is not middle, especially with her anti-wolf campaign. It’s a terribly brutal practice, not at all sportsmanlike and unnecessary to boot. I understand she spends money like crazy too and Dems and Repubs don’t like her anymore — so ship her off to D.C. I guess. Ugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr183lk-wQk
Protect our wolves. No animal deserves this.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Aerial extermination of wolves is barbaric slaughter, pure and simple. No outdoorsman would support that garbage or Palin. McCain has now lost my vote and NOTHING will get it back now.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
What a homophobic, barbaric freak you are. Yet you just said its fun watching wolves? SCREW YOU.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Bea, actually have you gone over to hillaryclinton.com forums. It seems to be interesting that the majority of internet hillary supporters are willing to vote for McCain because they were expecting Obama to pick hillary as his VP…
For those who claim to be animal rights activists should be concerned what the wolves are doing to the caribou and moose. Nobody said it was hunting. We can interfere with mother nature when polar bears are living on the melting side of the ice but we can’t interfere when angry wolves are killing other wildlife… ??
Sounds illogical to me. Palin and her family are great people, don’t let your hatred get in the way of seeing the obvious.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Wolves do not waste, and they are extremely endangered. Get real. For God’s sake, sometimes I wish we had completely killed them off earlier, then we wouldn’t have to do it now. What a sickening, barbaric practice. Outdoorsmen don’t mindlessly slaughter out of greed. What sickness.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Stevie boy. your a dunce, I said fun being sarcastic, its fun sleeping with one eye ball open watching my pack string all night. I do enjoy the howling though, and howled back, but like the wolf is habituating to me like wise I am learning the wolf’s ways, habits, tricks, and plan to use them against the wolf, the wolf is running out of hooved game in the Frank Church Wilderness, and must be a little bored and hungry drooling over me and my stock day in and day out, but it is the wolf who is frightened to fu%#@ with me, their smart. Other than that the fishing is fantastic and Im heading back in for some more. SCREW YOU, and your wolves.
August 29th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Keep all the wolves, screw everyone else? If you lived here,
you’d be eaten, by now.
The sole reason to kill wolves in this manner is to protect
people and property. It’s no “hunt”. Peoples’ lives are at
stake at this point.
August 29th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Funny isn’t it, if those government hunters thinning the Alaskan wolves did it on foot they would be eradicated or up a tree, depending on how fast they can run.
You know what I don’t see much any more around these parts, in the Frank Church Wilderness yuppie tree hugger wolf hugger liberal back packers from town’s or city’s any more, keep the wolf keep the wolf, but they don’t go sleep in the woods no more.
You know what, howling wolves are better company anyhow, at least the wolf don’t lie to ya, no BS from the wolf, they know what they want and their figuring out how to have it, every last elk and deer, big horn sheep, goat, moose, even dig up bears hibernating in winter and kill em, they kill wolverines, badgers, coyotes, foxes, watched two wolves dig up a fox last winter and eat him alive, they kill grouse, turkeys.
And they would love to get their teeth sunk into my horses and mules, and even me eventually once they have studied on me enough to do it, or try, ha ha ha……I’ll keep on going in there though because no marxists dog is gonna run me off my public lands.
Keep the wolf keep the wolf, screw all the other animals in the forest keep the wolf. Lets drop these wolf people off in the Wilderness about fifty miles in and lets here what they say then. Get me out get me out……ha ha ha.
I know, one wolf hugger packed in with me, it was nice, she stayed in camp with the dog and watched my horses while I was away in the forest sneaking up on wolves near their den to see them up close.
She wanted to get the hell outta there after the second day. ha ha. No more solo back packing trips for her, poor dear…..hey man, at 350,000 bucks a Marxist dog I think folks should go see the wolfie in his habitat of decimation, it’s a beautiful thing…
August 29th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Greg, could you please speak English? I have no idea what your posting says or means.
Steve, killing animals — any animal — in this fashion is barbaric. There is no gray area about it. It is based on flawed science. Even if the “science” were based in facts, which it is not, one does not treat God’s creatures in this barbaric and disrespectful manner.
It does not speak well of mankind. It especially speaks poorly of this Sarah Palin who put out a $$$ multi-million PR campaign to promote it.
Politically speaking, I don’t understand how the Republicans could be so stupid. Do they really think liberal to moderate voters will vote for McCain now that he has a “token” woman. Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton couldn’t be more opposite!
Does she really think she’ll get Hillary’s 18 million — yes — 18 million votes? Dream on.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Steve, sorry, I forgot to say that wolves eat out of hunger, not anger, just like you and I.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Mr. Farber you must have read “Little Red Riding Hood” a few too many times.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Wolves waste out of glutton want too because their eyes are bigger than their stomach’s, kill and take two mouthfalls and run along to the next live animal to destroy.
God created this Earth for man, God wanted man to manage the animals, God knew as mans populations grew and man moved into wilder area’s some animals would need to be removed to other safer area’s for them to live because certain predators could not live near man.
The wolf was fine in the Canadian Wilderness, 60,000 strong and room to roam. We don’t need or want the wolf in our back yards.
Which version of english would you like me to use their are eight different dialectics ? Are stuck in Websters World ?
If you understood the Hegelian English dialectic which most criminal politicians use, some go with Asopian English Dialectic as well, but if you understood these with some theology and symbology you would never vote again.
Hillary Clinton is a Druidic Phoenix worshipping witch. All politicians voted for the death of humans, is that ok… The Democratic Congress gave Bush almost every thing he wanted the last four years, is that ok too ?
Joe Biden voted for death of other humans via war, is that ok ? So did McCain, is that ok ? Whats the difference ? So did Hillary.
Steve, you were never going to vote for McCain. Period.
I’m never going to vote for either SMOM controlled puppet, why would I, these people have done nothing to represent America since I was born.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Wolves WERE in North America before the cattle industry with the help of the Biological Survey (now called Wildlife “Services”) decided they were in conflict with letting their cattle run all over the land. So they killed all the native buffalo too.
You have no right to say they have no place in “your” backyard. We are living in THEIR backyard, it is their God given right to be here, like it or not.
Go find someone else your own size to pick on. Leave the wolves alone.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Bea, do you live with wolves ? I do. I also raised a wolf from six weeks old to fourteen years.
Can you show with Bible scripture where God gave animals rights over man ?
I do not pick on wolves I mind my own business going fishing to Alpine Lakes and wolves come and watch me.
We have howling contests.
Do you got what it takes to hike in the forest while predators threaten you ?
When do your Democrat politicians stand up for the true definition of Democracy ?
DEMOCRACY; 1) Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and excercised by their elected agents. 2) A state in which the supreme power is vested in the people and excercised directly by them rather than the elected representatives. 3) The common people of a community as distinguished from any priviledged class.
That does not say switch to marxism does it ?
REPUBLICANISM; The common wealth or state; also a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is excercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them; also, any body of persons. etc., viewed as a commonwealth.
Again, that does not say switch to marxism does it ?
DUALISM; The state of being dual or consisting of two parts; Division into two; also; any system or theory based on a dual principle or involving a duality of priciples.
This is part of what we have, can you show me in the Constitution where the founders designed this strategy ? No you can not, Why, because they knew divided we fall as a nation.
Who does Dualism benefit ?
These guys;
COMMUNISM; MARXISTS; A theory of system of social organization based on the holding of property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state; a theory or system by which the state controls the means of production and distribution of industrial products.
PLUTOCRACY; The rule or power of wealth or of the wealthy; a government or state in which the wealthy class rules; also a class or group ruling. or excercising power or influence, by virtue of its wealth.
Socialist Marxism; A theory or system of social organization which aims at securing better distribution and more effective production of wealth by the vesting of ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole; also, a system of socialistic character, especially for the benefit of the working slave class under the wealthy elite class owning every thing, established and directed by the existing state or government.
Under the first two definitions which are true American ideals, with the Democratic process being used to help the Republic function correctly under Constitutional American LAW we the people vote on wolves.
Did we vote on wolves ?
Under the UnAmerican three definitions we got wolves shoved down our throats by elites ruling this nation via the unratified 17th Amendment and the United Nations Agenda 21, specifically section 28 of that Treatise. This program is an illegal action using stolen tax dollars and lies to force this on Americans who did not want it.
See the court cases which specifically deny Congress any rights to legally be involved in United Nations Endangered Species Activities or any other wild life activities in the states of this Nation and have never been over turned;
See U.S.C. 588. NO JURISDICTION.
McCready v. Virginia, 94 U.S. 391, 394,-95 (1887)
U.S. v. Shauver, 214 F, 154, 160 (E.D.Ark 1914)
U.S. v. McCullagh, 221 F, 288, 293, D. Kan. 1915)
God also said to obey the laws of the land if they were reasonable did he not ?
As far as little red Riding Hood is concerned I was to busy with an education to be bothered with fairy tales, even at that young age I was reading History and Law.
The wolf Program is illegal and has used stolen funds. Plus it was a waste due to the fact that Idaho had wolves prior to the ” Reintroduction” SCAM.
Dosen’t it even bother you people that a foreign governmental panel controls the ESA, FWS, our Forest Service and several other federal agencies via our congress giving them authority over these forest lands ?
I missed that Constitutional vote as well.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I do not like wolves. They scare me. I would never live in a house built of straw or sticks either because wolves are sneaky and have extremely good lungs. Does anyone know if wolves can swim under water? The Bible even warns about wolves dressing up like a sheep to fool people. These are dangerous cunning animals if they can do that. My greatest concern is that killing wolves from airplanes might result in the death of many innocent, not to mention cute, sheep and that would be very sad indeed.
August 30th, 2008 at 12:18 am
It’s all about controling the population of Wolves. It doesn’t matter if your for or against the wolves.
The majority of americans eat meat and so do wolves.
The Wolves are destroying our Elk and deer and whatever else they can. We as responsable citizens have to take care of this problem. Unless you live in one of these states such as Idaho or Wyoming you can’t understand the problem the Wolves are causing. It is easy to set in New York or somewhere there is no Wolves and say stop the killing of these beautiful creatures. Elk and Deer are beautiful too.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska is an example of profound cruelty and cowardice. Having studied the situation thoroughly I know perfectly well that the wolf population is not in need of “thinning”, as many of you call these acts of massacre. Wolves are not harmful animals and just consume the amount of game they NEED, therefore they are not destroying anything. There are definitely sufficient amount of game for wolves in every part of Alaska. It may be true that the populations of elk and moose are not big enough for wildlife predators and hunters but do people really need elk and moose flesh that badly? It’s all about that some (of course not all) hunters are so fond of killing animals that they think they shold have a right to kill as many elks and mooses they want to.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Of course when predators start to act aggressively and attack people without provocation there should be a possibility to hunt these individuals. But these systematic pogroms against wolves is really unsustainable. For example killing pups in their den is something that makes me really, really angry. Give some concrete facts which would justify these acts.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I would strongly recommend all pro wolf lovers go back packing in the Frank Church Wilderness, at least 10 miles deep and stay for two weeks if you got the nerve. Enjoy a few high alpine lakes, lower you will find beautiful meadows, rivers and streams, you might see a deer or two still, maybe even an elk, I know forsure you will see wolves, isn’t that what you paid for ? You didn’t just want me to enjoy the wolves did you ? get out there and see them folks, their really beautiful, they howl all night right next to camp, they even walk in and see you up close, just had one come three days back at 11:30 a.m. right into camp, looked at me and walked off. other wolves were hanging around too, it was really cool. In a ten mile radious I counted three seperate packs singing their song, I even joined in on the howling contest. Wolves even bark at you like a dog does, it’s funny. Once they get done with their info gathering on me the human, they will brave up for their first attack on me, or someone like me who still goes in the Church Wilderness, hooved game is nearly wiped out in there, I know, Ive been going into this spot for 36 years, used to be hundreds of elk, deer, not now though, their all most gone. Better get in there folks and enjoy your National Forest, the U.N. has not put up the no-tresspassing signs yet, you can still go……I just can’t understand where all the yuppie REI backpackers went, used to see quite a few walking past me in there, I was always polite to, and helpful even, oh well, I prefer the place all to my self. Must be some safer forests to back pack into some place for the wolf huggers, I can’t imagine why they would pay for the wolves then not visit them. I guess it was a gift for my kindness in days past. Well I’m gonna enjoy the Wilderness before the elite bankers forclose on it and shut us all out of it for keeps. I know, you folks don’t beleive thats gonna go down, well keep watching.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Hillary supporters will vote McCain… But don’t take my word for it. Go see for yourself and witness the movement.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26179
August 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Greg is right. Where have all the wolf loving back packers gone.
I’m sure the wolves miss them. The elk and deer are almost gone now from Idaho and a tasty wolf loving hiker would probably taste pretty good about now.
August 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Steve: That Hillary Clinton forum full of “PUMAs” is part of a very small movement (they had a big meetup in real life and no more than 30 people showed up) run by a woman who claims to be a Democrat named Darragh Murphy who actually donated $500 to John McCain in the 2000 election — look that up. Don’t be fooled — there are secret Republicans in the mix there to convince the more stupid Democrats there to cross over. John McCain threw away his moral high ground over Obama (experience over change) for a few temporary poll points and nobody likes a cowardly hunter and I can guarantee that the “purple” states are going to question shooting wolves from the air and will consider it cruel.
August 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Get a clue people, the government kills wolves from helicopters using government biologists to do the shooting, if they did not do it then another species of hooved game gets wiped out by the wolves in question. They are not killing all the wolves, just enough to back off the killing of the hooved herd to attain balance. The correct wording could be ” Cowardly Biologist ” controlling their wolf packs.
Who knows maybe McCain wins and keels over and Sarah is the first Women, wife, mother, President of the United States. I would take her over Hillary Dillary Liar Clinton. Maybe a mother will think twice about more kids going to war and dying for BLOOD SOAKED OIL while the BLOOD SOAKED MEDIA MONOPOLY LIES TO US SOME MORE.
And while you guys do some ” research ” look to the Democratic Congress members who out number the Republican members making millions on stock investments profiting from the war on terror. Namely one John Kerry for starters. And there are others profiting from this war, your Messiah claims he will end, NOT.
Course the Messiah Obama needs to win first, And he might win, just like Gore did, and even Kerry did, maybe you Dems will get it after the third fix goes down that its all RIGGED and voting is a scam.
Let the Crusade Continue, we wants our golden chair at Solomons rebuilt temple mount, wise up. its obvious who runs this BS..
August 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Diana that is only one source and I have many more sources. Reason nobody showed up is people had to work and you can’t expect a last minute rally within hours of finding out a new VP candidate.
I dont’ think people care as much as you do about wolves. Most people feel threatened by wolves and only a small minority really believe wolves are cute and cuddly and are far superior to humans.
Oh and by the way, you lie like a rug. The owner and administrator of the site at the Hillary forums is far from a Republican and is making a concerted effort to get donations together to support McCain…
Secondly, Palin can bring more change than Obama since the only person running for Pres or Veep who is not a sleezeball DC politician is Palin herself. She is the only one that stands out as different to me. The only difference I see in Obama is he is not 100% white.
So go back to your far corner of la la land and grab your pom poms and cheer for Obiden…. and quit lying to people on blogs…
August 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Sarah Palin is an out of touch, radical right wing gun toting radical who has no respect for predatory animals.
Anyone who could support the brutal aerial killing OF ANY ANIMAL — let alone PROMOTE it– as Palin has done– does not deserve to hold ANY office.
McCain’s pick of Palin shows how far off his judgment has become. Women who vote for a woman based on gender only are not doing themselves or anyone any favors. Hillary and Palin could not be more opposite. The only thing they have in common is gener. It’s like voting for Obama because he’s black.
It would be a privilege to live near packs of beautiful and intelligent wolves anyday than surrounded by ignorant people who think they need to “manage wildlife.”
August 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Killing part of the wolf population won’t solve the distorted balance of nature. The distortion is not caused by wolves as they manage their pack sizes. In a single territory the amount of inviduals won’t rise over certain limits. Therefore administrations should find other means to take care of this problem. Of course part of the people would like to destroy every single predator from the wild so they could hunt more game for fun.
August 30th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
BEA, Heikki Hamalain,
Your both encredibly stupid. No managment of animals, especially predators means no animals period. We settled this land, after hi-jacking it away from American Native Indigenous Peoples and population growth means animal management to sustain herd development and predator control to sustain hooved herds balance meaning correct cow to calf ratio and bull ratio for elk and the same for deer.
A modern society can not have 100,000 Buffalo running across the plains causing wrecks deaths and other mayhem, the only way your theory works is all peoples move into city’s and stay out of public forest lands period. Obviously you know nothing about wolf habituation to humans either, if you had your choice to live among wolves they would EAT YOU.
Idaho protected predators in the 1920s and 30s, cougers wiped out Idaho’s elk populations and Idaho purchased elk from Montana and re-introduced elk to my state, and lifted the ban on cougers hunting, since that era both the couger and the elk THRIVED under mans management.
Your out of touch with REALITY lady. We all kill our food, plants, flowers, fruits, vegy’s, animals all lived before it gets harvested and used, you drive a car most likely, you kill bugs on the windshield, you step on bugs in your yard, you kill ants and don’t even know it, ants are very productive creatures in this world and should be protected too, spiders live in your house, do you kill them, or set them on the lawn.
Get a life. You vote for liar political hacks who drop bombs on men women and children to save us all from the boogey man who wants to destroy America and its values, problem is they keep bombing the wrong people, because its YOU wants to destroy freedom.
I hunt to put untainted with anti-biotics and other chemicals poisened meats on my table. Wolves can stay, but managment is a must to control a balance which can not take place on its own due to people and towns and citys with roads highways, trains and planes, get it, in 1700 the animals were not LANDLOCKED like the are NOW, thus you have put an unmanaged predator in their cage and expect them to do fine. YOUR BOTH NUT CASES.
Your idiot theory will cause wolves to starve themselves out and die. We have cougers coming into town right now seeking cats and dogs for food, WHY do you think thats happening ? BECAUSE THE WILD GAME IS SO DEPLEATED BY WOLVES THEY MUST come into town seeking food, do you too even give a shit about some school kid getting killed.
ALL POLITICIANS Are out of TOUCH with we the peoples needs and you people still clinging to these liar criminals are out of touch AS WELL.
Bea, call me, I will personally pay for your trip into the Frank Church Wilderness so you have the priviledge of meeting a wolf pack, can you ride a horse ? I will take you to the wolves myself, cook for you even, lets go, lets see what you think about DEATH IN YOUR FACE FROM A VICIOUS PREDATOR that sees you as SLOW STUPID MEAT and nothing more.
I give you three days and your begging me to take you out of there. Just like the last dumb wolf hugger that took the dare.
Hey now, go vote for favorite serial killer political hack to save the world in four years. LMAO. Go vote for you BABY KILLERs, Dems killed over 55,000 American GIs in Nam, over 1.5 million Indigenous North Vietnamese, go vote suckers, Iraq is still costing us men, and innocent Iraqi’s, and Afgans, go vote suckers, go vote for more human deaths and your oil for blood campaigns-Crusades by both illegal UnConstitutional fake parties.
Hurry, pick a new killer of people.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Steve,
If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but please stop the name calling. I haven’t called anyone here stupid.
As far as calling you to spend some time with wolves, seriously, I would love to!. I don’t think my husband would like it though and he’s too busy travelling for work. (I work locally). I am not afraid of wild animals but I do respect them and realize that there are dangerous situations to stay away from.
That does not give anyone the right to treat them with disrespect and shoot them from airplanes, which often takes more than one shot, the animal is scared to death, and the animal SUFFERS.
ANIMAL SUFFERING IS NOT OK IF INTENTIONALLY CAUSED BY MAN.
Your posting doesn’t make sense. You said I voted for people who drop bombs…. how do you know who I voted for?
Killing spiders (intentionally or accidentally) hardly compares to an all out AIR ASSAULT on intelligent predators.
I have a life. Part of it is educating people such as yourself on cruelty to animals.
We have way too many elk in Estes Park. We need wolves there desperately (in Rocky Mountain National Park). So what do the politicians do? Bring in sharpshooters instead of wolves.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Steve,
Again, your posting assumes so much.
I know that Dems started the Vietnam war and Republicans ended it. I thought Nixon was a very good president and Kennedy didn’t do much at all except look good.
I am not a Democrat nor a Republican though I agree with some of what each says from time to time. I think independently of party lines, I vote independently and am a swingvoter.
Stop assuming so much about people because I like animals and don’t enjoy their suffering and persecution.
Is that wrong?
August 30th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Whoops, I meant the above postings to go to GREG.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I’m sure Greg will respond, Bea, but just to take a look at your “reasoning” for a moment…
“often takes more than one shot, the animal is scared to death, and the animal SUFFERS.ANIMAL SUFFERING IS NOT OK IF INTENTIONALLY CAUSED BY MAN.”
So, if MAN causes suffering, it is not OK…But if an animal causes suffering or death, it is OK? That’s YOUR premise! OK?
So why don’t you and your friends simply walk in the woods with the wolves and let them eat you? According to your OWN logic and opinion, that is perfectly OK…..
Believe me, that is not a sensible or reasonable argument! Stop and think about your own way of thinking (for a change), or do they simply pay you to say anything you can to support THEIR agenda? (You did imply that you were employed by anti-animal cruelty employers)
I suppose you have seen the suffering caused by starvation, among animals who have grown to plentiful to exist with the available food sources? I suppose that is perfectly OK with you, too? After all, that is NOT caused by MAN!
Your agrements are lacking in reasoning ability, based on emotional grounds that are unsupported by reality, facts, or sound reasoning….I therefore assume you really aren’t worth listening to or taking the time to reply to with a logical or reasonal argument of those facts!
August 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Well I suggest you bring the hubby my better half wouldn’t mind anyhow she trusts me completely.
A bullet from a pro is quick and clean most of the time. You need to wake up Kid, wolves start eating elk before the elk is dead, sometimes the elk may live 40 minutes before death while being eaton alive.
I’ve watched this disgusting event more than once. Have you ever heard a elk or deer scream in pain, I have, while being brutalized and eaton alive by wolves.
Wolves clamp onto the nose of an elk, and hamstring the hinds bringing the elk to the ground, if it is a pregnant cow elk they eat out the fetus and move on to the next kill, leaving the elk to bleed out helpless on the ground.
Wolves took down a calf elk on my land two year ago, ate the meat off the hinds in two spots, ate some meat off the belly and left, the calf died the next afternoon suffering miserably the entire time.
Idaho fish and game would not let us do the merciful thing and finish the calf elk.
I too wish you could have wolves come to your place where you have elk and then you could witness these same types of bloody brutality first hand.
I got news for you, you will still need people with guns to finish the dying and bleeding elk off which the wolves leave to suffer.
Thats the hard truth.
If you vote don’t you research politicians vote records at Congress, I do, and I do not vote, WHY, because they put us in foreign illegal wars and they KILL HUMANS, all based on lies and false flag BS.
Just so U.S. Corporate subject slaves can drive their nice cars around looking pretty.
http://www.daily.pk./world/84-worldnews/6726-barack-obama-is-not-a-us-citizen.html
JFK, took on the ruling elites who run things from the shadows and attempted to expose them, shut down their CIA, IRS, printed real money enterest free, attempted to open the eyes of Americans, attempted to stop Vietnam, to bad he didnt wear a bullet proof hat, it is all a matter of record.
No presidential puppet since has had the courage to try it again. Funny how the same old money gets behind the new candidates saying the same old bullshit, and the American u.s. subject slaves rush out and vote for the new miracle man to save them all over again, then after four years, another let down, they all do it again.
Talk about consistancy, somebody has you all pegged.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I’m a woman, don’t hunt, but I have many woman friends that do and are faithful GOP.
They are voting Obama because:
1) Palin has ignored science in favor of faux-science in her support of sports hunting wolves from planes. My friends–not sport hunters–don’t approve of sport hunting, and neither do I. None of us (some are GOP, some Dems, some Libertarians and Some Independents) likes the concept of shooting animals from planes (half the time, they exhaust the animal and literally have to land on the ground and shoot the wolf from 12 feet… some sport). Every single one of these women won’t be voting for McCain. Two won’t be voting at all they are so angry.
2. Two of the group–Hillary supporters–won’t be voting McCain/Palin either. They see her pick as a desperate plea to attract women (Obama has lead McCain in the women’s vote) regardless of qualifications or history.
The bottom line is this: Palin has too much baggage and is stepping into shoes manufactured for her, not of her own doing.
She isn’t breaking ANY ceilings. She’s just embarrassing some of us.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
cany, not only do you not hunt, but, evidently, you don’t read, either! Just take a look at any of the posts on this subject……
“IT’S NOT SPORT HUNTING” (is that clear enough?)
It’s not even “HUNTING”….(it’s killing an overpopulated number of predators by fish and game authorities that want to keep a balance of animals in control)
NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
(I doubt that you even care to be informed, probably just doing what some wolf lover organization has paid you to do!)
Is there ever any reasoning with a woman?
August 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
You know what, logical readers know who won this debate, emotional readers pushing lies get the government they deserve. http://www.wolvesinrussia.com/
It just go’s to show us the real objective is to demonize a culture of self sufficiant people like myself harvesting plants, roots, berries, herbs, meats, such as elk, deer, ducks, grouse and being independent and free of the control of socialist nonsense which historically has a 100% failure rate, by design. Democracy also failed in history in every Nation it was tried in, FACT. But then our Republic only survived 92 years. Some day man will get it, AND REVERT BACK TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, who is waiting for man to realize MAN CAN NOT RULE MAN, not even men in pretty robes wearing jewels who have a taste for little boys. Those Wolves in SHEEPS robes.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Jes, you’re right. It’s not sport hunting, it’s not even hunting — it’s barbaric killing/torture/maiming of our incredible predatory animals.
As far as Palin trying to represent “women,” that’s a joke. She is embarrassing herself mostly with trying to compare herself with Hillary.
Most women will not — and do not — identify with her. She is a far right wing radical, out of touch with today’s society. I am she’s lived her adult life in remote Alaska with a population of what — ??? She has no clue of the problems of cities, etc. Does she even know what a city is?
McCain may be getting into a fight on gun control that he didn’t ask for. People do not want to deal with those issues right now — it’s the economy and Iraq “stupid.”
Now we’re going to be hit with Palin’s in your face NRA gun toting political garbage, I’m sure.
Hunters I personally know are also getting tired of NRA strong arm tactics as well too.
Right after the Columbine incident here in Colorado, Charleton Heston still insisted on holding his NRA convention/rally. He showed absolutely NO concern whatsoever about the timing — or respect — for those who lost loved ones and callously continued with his fight for gun rights.
Don’t even be so pompous and arrogant to pretend to know me from a few postings on a forum.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Kill two birds with one stone.
Poison the wolves by feeding them animal lovers, PETA heads, and global warming enviromentalist.
There ya go, now everybody’s happy. I’ve got my limit of birds and got rid of a wolve and an enviromentalist wacko. I think yer gonna have to roll those PETA heads in peanut butter to get the wolves to eat ‘em though. The grizzly bears said they taste awful.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:30 am
Bea,
No one here was pompous and arrogant, no one attempted to assume they got to know you, YOU went up against Scholarly facts which you ignored and kept on with your blind rhetoric, wolves are harmless, wolves are cute.
While admitting you have not experienced wolves up close living near you, but its fine for them to be in my yard where they kill my dogs, horses, and threaten our children at the bus stop.
The man made government even says I can not protect my own life against an Endangered Species, or my childs life, or my my animals which are my property.( Thats Insanity) If I do so I go to jail. Wolves are not even an endangered species, thats a lie.
The governemt installed the wolves into our environment, years after the government removed them, now the government flies around shooting them when they cause problems which must be addressed, YOUR GOVERNMENT that you support and pay taxes to does what you are whining about.
Your political party which could be either party supports FWS actions, the FWS is in control of all state game and fish commissions nation wide, those cute little wolves were doing just fine where they were before this illegal ESA program dumped them in our yards. Go whine to your Congressmen, they gave FWS the unauthorized authority to do it.
I know enough about you reading your replys to know you believe in lies or are paid to do what your doing by posting emotionally based nonsense backed by nothing of scholarly value.
I posted the ESA illegal actions and facts in this thread, go research them. It is a U.N action, it is re-wilding america, the U.N charter is agenda 21, it is 1060 pages, have you read it ? I doubt you have. It means literally all rural citizens in those re-wilded areas must move out eventually, thats the goal you support. That means you too.
The 140 page re-wilding document PDF file is here at this web site, go read it, get a clue.
Doctors and FDA preservative poisens, Alcohol, drugs, and warefare abroad each individually kills more humans than guns in America do annually. Medical mistakes alone kill 750,000 patients annually in the United States, not sick insane satan worshippers shooting up schools for kicks like those two boys at Columbine who must of had some real lazy parents.
I say we BANN Doctors. And irresponsible parents who fail to raise their children with moral and ethics and let them stair into video games and tv sets being stupified with crap.
Go surrender your gun rights and leave mine alone.
Did you even realize those idiots at Columbine specifically targeted born again christain students ? probably didnt research that info either did you. Those two boys were satanic worshippers and very sick, and did a terrible deed, but why should Heston cancil a pre to that terrible event scheduled convention.
We know what you emotionally feel about wolfie, and Sarah Palin, We are still waiting for you to tell us what you really “THINK” about.
John McCain is the chosen one, he sealed it with NRA supporter Palin, mother, wife, and in no way attempts to be any thing like Hillary Dillary extreme leftist pretending to be moderate Rodham Jew Clinton. The election is a selection and its over already, get out of Newmans world!!!
Palin is pro gun, pro creationism, anti sodomite marriage, anti liberal socialist communist marxists wolf hugger freaks believing in lies.
Your society is crumbling apart.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Greg,
Take a breath. I think if you had a gun you’d be shooting me right now in all your hatred and anger.
“John McCain is the chosen one?”
Wow — are you hearing voices now?
You are obviously a very angry, in your face individual who doesn’t understand the role predators play in ecosystems.
Where did I say wolves (or any wild animal) can’t be dangerous?
So if an animal is dangerous, that gives man the right to shoot it from airplanes? (Are you able to stick to one subject? It seems you may have ADD.)
They are not killing wolves from airplanes in Alaska because they are “dangerous” animals. Any wild animal can be dangerous. You think because people such as myself protect predatory animals, we think they’re not dangerous? Of course they are — and so are domestic dogs. In fact, domestic dogs and livestock combined injure and/or kill far more people per year than wild animals. Look it up!
Don’t pretend to even speak for or know “my political party.” You have no idea who I’ve voted for in the past. Don’t portend to “know me” — you know nothing about me or predatory animals.
Research the subject and then come back when you are informed enough to hold an intelligent discussion and stick to one topic without rambling on.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Greg,
Why not read what our government has done to predatory animals over the yearse If you dare to find out the truth!
Michael Robinson’s Predator Bureaucracy — read it and then discuss the issue.
And where did I say guns should be banned???
You are just a fool who doesn’t even read postings properly.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Wolves clamp onto the nose of an elk, and hamstring the hinds bringing the elk to the ground, if it is a pregnant cow elk they eat out the fetus and move on to the next kill, leaving the elk to bleed out helpless on the ground.
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Greg,
Maybe you should complain to God that you don’t like how he’s designed nature?
I mean, what a stupid thing to be “mad” about!
Nature works how nature works.
Wolves were (and are) a native part of our North American ecosystem.
Lambs and cattle were not designed to be here by Mother Nature. The native animals instinctively know this and are simply trying to protect their territory.
If man left the scene, who do you think would survive? Not the domestic animals I can tell you.
It’s survival of the fittest.
It’s always been that way, always will.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Point made, is the suffering caused by one predator any less painful than another? Your whining about humans controlling predators with guns which is not as painful as the actions of the predator itself in question when it takes down its prey, which is not the problem at all, the problem is to many predators over killing their prey. mainly WOLVES.
Wolves are not creating balance, its called IMBALANCE. Other wise know as hooved herd failures in three states, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho. I’m living in it and watching first hand.
I’m not mad about it, the predator needs to be culled, all of them, or they threaten humans eventually, and decimate other species. Take man out of the picture and your theory works, agenda 21 is working on just that idea.
Votes are controlled in this country by the elites and have been for years, see the book Votescam. Not only that the same money is behind all candidates, that should arouse suspician in itself.
I correctly picked Bush, then Clinton, then Bush again, now I pick McCain, it is a blood lines thing in relation to European Royalty, Seems our Presidential candidate’s with the richer blood relating them to these old family blood lines get the Oval Office. McCain has the Richer Blood over Obama.
Neither McCain or Obama would be my choice. It is a simple study of these peoples family trees. every president has been the richer blood in history, not to hard to figure that out if you do the work to search the tree. Simple. No voices, hard work.
I have picked Mccain months ago, all though I see a curve ball being tossed and could well see the elite controllers of our elections changing up their game. But I made my call, and I will stick to it.
That said I wonder at people falling all over themselves about this Obama because its the same old song and dance as Bush gave eight years ago, just softer.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9995
More war is what both idiots are offering, no one will be satisfied with either one.
Thats right survival of the fittest, now go back packing in the Frank Church and enjoy that eco system. PLEASE.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Again, you are always assuming things. I don’t subscribe to the Frank Church.
I simply have a problem with brutalizing and persecuting our predators under the scientifically UNSOUND guise of “predator control.”
It’s not a difficult concept.
August 31st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Sure Bea, Whatever, let the wolves kill every thing and then the wolves will starve to death, the sooner the better.
Yawn.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Here’s a concept.
Instead of aerial killing, club them on the head. Good luck
with that one….
Is there a better way to kill off these killers? Years ago,
when it was open season on wolves, sightings and incidences
were far and few between. Wolves aren’t stupid. They stayed
away. But anymore, they encroach where they can…. where no
one shoots at them. If that concept was back, the wolves
would act accordingly and stay away from people and property,
idealistically.
If we could get past what it might feel like being chased and
killed, some of the means by which to control the predators
may become more relevant. They have to be controlled. If you don’t think so, then, you don’t.
Sarah Palin governs a state where people live with and care
for it’s animals. People, not animals, are protected first.
Animals are protected second.
If you lived in Alaska you would have daily contacts with
various native people. Numerous tribes with names difficult
to utter. Customs, still intact, that are foreign to white
men. These are the people that require protection from the
wolves. Ask them if they are just kidding about too many
wolves or if they get a kick out of den hunting. No one wants to do it. It has to be done as a last resort…to keep
the killers from killing us.
Skidoos (native, for snow machine)aren’t really agile or fast
enough, as the wolve has no problem attacking you while you
ride. B.J. calls it his “ski-doo hide”. His other hide was
acquired in the same manner……no choice.
But, if, after all, you think preditor control is scientific-
ally unsound, that’s your opinion. It’s my opinion that preditor control is as important as an EMT unit or fire
control……a necessity.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Have Alaskan Fish and Game MANAGEMENT live capture 3000 wolves and drop them off in Estes Park, problem solved, then Bea can love her adorable fluffie little 160 pound wolves all she wants. Better keep your family pets in the house though, and no more human children walking to and from school, then we can all be happy.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Indians would never engage in a brutal air assault on any animals. Only white men with sagging insecure egos. Sorry but that is the truth.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Native American Indiginous peoples are not “Indians” which was the name put upon them by the Invading European’s from Spain and England. Check India out though, there’s Injuns in India.. Your right they wouldn’t use a helicopter, or plane, they would use a club and beat the wolves to death.
Aviation fuel is to expensive right now and so are bullets, Native American Indiginous people are penny pinchers, unlike stupid corporate u.s. subject 14th Amendment slave tax-payers willing to pay $350,000 per wolf in the wolf ESA program, and allow it to run about eating up every thing including themselves eventually.
Insult whitey all you want, you really should lay off the Natives.
That is the truth and I am not sorry, I’m not sorry at all.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:11 am
ar, we need another 3000 wolves shipped to Alabama pronto, them folks down yonder in Alabama been relaxing on the porch to long with them banjo’s, time to get em some excercise runnin for their lives……
September 1st, 2008 at 12:18 am
No it isn’t, Bea, come on. “Indians” are the people described above. They are first in line, the reason, first
contact, if you will, for getting control on the over-abun-
dance of wolves. The children, for one, should not have to
stay inside because of it. Wolves will lug off the kids.
In case you haven’t heard, they will send a younger one to
coax a domestic dog away far enough to kill it. “Indians”
also own sled dogs. Not all, but some. They have to be able to kill the wolves somehow. Have any suggestions?
September 1st, 2008 at 12:25 am
I agree, Greg. Alabama Jim is probably bored as hell down
there with just some little ole’ deer n’ rabbits to chase.
I wonder what he thinks of wearing a bell around his neck to
keep himself safe from bears.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:48 am
Yup. You’re wrong.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:18 am
Once again, it reminds me of the way the Eskimo used to get rid of wolves: they’d wind springy sharpened bones inside a chunck of fat or blubber and let it freeze, then feed it to the wolves….when they ate it, it opened up inside their guts, and slivered their stomach….
Wonder if that was crueler than those “awful aerial wolf shooters”?
Either way sounds practical to me. If you want to save what’s left of our elk and deer. And yes, Bea, that’s OUR, as in hunters who brought them back from extinction…..
September 1st, 2008 at 7:50 am
Too bad there isn’t aerial hunting on people who want to aerial hunt animals. Give ‘em a taste of their own medicine.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I can’ t believe I’m reading the above!
The American Indian always respected the wolf. The only predator to the wolf is man…not the othr way around. The wolf keeps the herds down.
How criminal to airborne hunt…nothing more dispicable!
September 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Here, girls. Read this.
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2008/08/30/hunters-unite-to-save-the-hunting-culture/
September 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Hunters did not “bring back wolves from extinction.”
Learn the definitions between “extinction” and extermination.
Cattle ranchers, with the help of their buddies in D.C., in order to “sanitize the land for cattle” exterminated predators. They wantonly and brazenly killed all the predators they could find by any cruel means they desired, all with the help of tax dollars and the “biological survey” now called “Wildlife Services.” under the USDA.
Yea, Wildlife “Services” is currently “servicing” about 1.6 million animals per year, about 150,000 mammals to help ranchers — using tax dollars. Who is helping me with my business with subsidies? It’s called “Welfare Ranching” — where cattle is also being grazed on BLM lands, displacing native wildlife and predators who are only trying to find a home while man keeps pushing them further and further out.
PS: I think your mentality about predators needs exterminating.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm
An article on Sarah Palin’s policies. It mentions this blog.
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2008/08/30/animals-and-money-palins-fiscal-weakness-for-hunters/
September 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Aunt Bea,
Thats twice you have threatened us with death, aerial shooting, and extermination. You want us dead, we get the picture. To kill a persons mentality is to kill the person. To shoot aerial government hunters from the air is to attempt to kill humans. In other words a difference of beliefs on our parts according to you means we need to be killed, is this environmentalist JIHAD you are threatening against good American people living in rural areas who want to live in peace and not have predators on their yards harrassing them at all hours of the night, due to lack of fear of humans and respect. It sure sounds like threats of death to me.
We with a different opinion than yourself need killed according to you. Sounds religious to me, which that is what environmentalism has become, a religion, and before it is done