No Excuses For Being A Hunter
Posted by Tom Remington on December 18, 2007
Below is a comment left on the Blog Critic after an article there written by Bill George, Jr. called, “Canned Hunting Needs to Stop”.
Duane, I wouldn’t typically rise to the challenge you’ve tossed out here, but I’m kinda bored. You’re falling into a real old rhetorical trap here. You counter ever potential argument before it can be made, tipping your own hand and negating the value of discussion. Sorta removes the incentive for response.
But I’ll do it anyway, so first things first…
It really IS as simple as, “if you don’t like it, don’t do it.”
The choice to hunt or not is an emotion-based decision of “right and wrong”. Because it’s based on emotion rather than logic, folks who are against hunting will never understand the reasons that hunters participate in this sport. If you feel that animals are “victims” and subject to some kinds of rules of fairness, then in your mind it will never be right to hunt them. No explanation I can offer will change that because it is a very fundamental difference of opinion. May as well have a Baptist try to convert a Jew.
Whether it’s “fair chase” hunting or hunting a high-fence ranch, there is no victimization in hunting. That’s a poor, anthropomorphic construct that really means nothing in nature.
Predation is predation, whether it’s perpetrated by a human, a mountain lion, or a spider. It’s one of the few constants of nature, although far too many people are so removed from the natural experience (not to mention our very own animal nature)to appreciate that fact for what it means.
There is, in nature, no “decision making process” that determines a creature’s role in the food chain. Somehow humans have deemed ourselves the arbiters of reason though, and through it many of you have decided that you’ve somehow evolved above the need to be a part of the natural cycle. Let someone else kill for you… at the abattoir and in the factory fields. You’re better than that, right? And we see where that’s got us in our relationship with nature.
It’s actually pretty damned arrogant, this position some people take that we’re somehow “above” the natural order. It’s arrogant and it’s sad… because we’ve lost an awful lot as a species.
As a hunter, I choose to embrace the animal in myself. It’s as close to wildness as we can get in this modern age of factory farms and self-contained, climate controlled habitats. Maybe some folks don’t like that, but I’ll not apologize.
I choose to spend as much time as I can in an element where I’m not in total control of the outcome. Like most hunters, I often come away with nothing except the chase itself. It’s not all about “shooting up” animals. It’s about hunting them.
I don’t have to hunt to feed my family, but I do like knowing where the meat in my freezer came from. I like knowing that, in my household, better than half of the red meat we eat and a good part of the fish and poultry come from natural, wild stocks. They are not hormone injected, irradiated, styrofoam packed food products. It is a good feeling to me, to know that I have delivered meat to our table by my own hand. I take a personal pride in the ability to find, kill, process, and cook my own meat… skills that far too few modern people possess. I recognize that it’s a survival skill that’s probably never going to be put to the real test, but I’m glad to have it just the same.
I don’t hunt to manage wildlife populations. That’s an unintentional benefit of the sport. We point it out when hunting is challenged, not because it’s a reason that we hunt, but to demonstrate that hunting is often a necessary tool in wildlife management. We serve a purpose. If we don’t do it, someone will have to be paid to do it for us.
I don’t hunt to carry on any tradition, although the hunting tradition is a big part of my heritage. It’s a tradition I value, because it includes clear definitions of responsibility and ethical behavior. It lets us understand the power that we hold in our hands, and to make the hard decision to kill or not to kill. That’s not a small deal, despite the way it may look on video games or the evening news. And when hunters speak lightly of it, it usually belies the greater emotional chaos that comes with the power of life and death. I think there’s an awful lot of value in passing along that knowledge and understanding, but it’s not the main reason I hunt.
I don’t hunt because of the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting, despite the popular misperception that it somehow does. The framers of the Constitution didn’t even consider hunting a question… it was the right to defend ourselves from the rise of tyranny that they were concerned about.
I hunt because I love hunting. I love everything about it. That’s all the reason I really need, because anything else would simply be justifying my behavior based on a set of beliefs that I don’t share.
However, I also understand that, of the 20 million-plus hunters in this country, there are many who measure success by the size of the antlers or the number of animals in the bag. There are some who will go out of their way to stack the odds in their favor, whether through the use of baits, fences, or technology… and as long as those hunters are within the bounds of the law, I will not fault their motives or methods.
Like most hunters, I have no desire to convert anti-hunters to hunting (although I’ll gladly take any interested non-hunter under my tutelage).
I don’t even really want to change your philosophical stance. If you find killing animals distasteful, consider yourself fortunate to live in a time and society where you have the luxury of letting someone else do it for you. I won’t even challenge the anti-hunting evangelist who wishes to preach his beliefs to the un-converted… as long as the scripture is factual… not propagandistic B.S. like this “canned” hunting thing that uses a few exceptional incidents to broad-brush the entire game ranching industry.
If the idea of killing animals is not “right” to you, then I can’t fault you for your feelings. I have no right to do so, because I don’t have to walk in your shoes or live in your mind. You’ve drawn your own lines, and as long as you live by them then I can’t see anything wrong with that.
All I ask is the same consideration for myself and for other hunters. For us, there isn’t anything wrong with killing animals, within certain legal and ethical parameters. This our philosophical position, and you can’t fault us for that either.
So now I’ve take a lot of time and effort to respond to your challenge, Duane. Here’s one for you.
Tell me, in terms of logic and empirical data, what’s wrong with sport hunting? Outside of the philosophical and emotional questions, which can never have a definitive answer, how is our sport wrong? What is it hurting?
Tom Remington
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Hey Tom, this looks familiar!
Thanks!
December 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Are you kidding me?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Check the URL beside the comments (the exchange continued after this post, by the way).
December 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Unreal! You know I thought that might be you for a second but then I figured the odds were not that great, so I didn’t contact you.
Yeah, I was over there today reading the continued debate.
Regardless, I was impressed with what you wrote.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Thanks, Tom.
Yeah, I get a little wrapped up in some of these things sometimes.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:13 am
“what’s wrong with sport hunting?”
There are so many questions and various opinions tied in with this. But as you stated your’s, I shall be stating mine clearly.
I do not believe in sport hunting simply because I see NO reason why humans have a right to kill for sport. Just as I see no reason why humans should let others do the killing for them (i.e. going to Mcdonalds and having a good meal that you took no part in preparing) I can fully understand the thrill of the chase, feeling even a part of nature. But what is being a part when you are destroying a piece for no good reason? Animals of course themselves hunt and kill, carnivores do, they are naturally meat eaters. Humans however, have a choice. I understand fully the immense pleasure in wild meat and being able to know where it came from and prepare it. But for sport, I see no good point. I do not believe the earth was created for killing animals for one: As a sport that brings pleasure, I believe pleasure from killing is wrong And two: by a creature who has a choice (you as the human)
Personally, and while I know many laugh at this, hunting for sport I believe is wrong. just as eating tons of meat from the store is wrong. Of course, not everyone thinks of this fact, and I am not going to blame them if it just never crossed their mind. However, and this is coming from one who once loved meat and adored the country lifestyle, after much thought (and no, nothing to do with PETA) I have come to my own conclusion that it is wrong. Especially hunting for sport. No one should kill for pleasure. I know, overpopulation right? Well who’s fault is that? Man. If natural predators were still around and much of the world had not been taken over, this would not be so much of a problem. There is a lot tied in with it, but in the long run, humans were never meant to kill their fellow man (obviously) nor the creatures of this earth for any form of pleasure. Hanging a creature’s head on your wall to prove that you overcame something, dominated it, is not right. Man is a selfish species in many ways (and I am in no way perfect myself) I feel that much of hunters are exerting a kind of power and domnination in hunting. You need not crack a whip and claim to be king in order to dominate. Hunting, getting the better of something, is domination and in the end much of that is what it is about. Killing for pleasure is not rightl Taking something’s life for pleasure when you have a choice not to eat it at all is not right.
I realise many will laugh at me for this. Especially in hearing that I am only seventeen. An idiot of sorts. But this is my belief, and as you stated your’s, I have stated my own.
December 20th, 2007 at 4:36 am
“Unknown”
You state clearly that you don’t believe in sport hunting. That’s fine and I respect your right to your opinion.
The rest of your argument is confusing, rambling and actually makes very little sense. Keep trying though.
December 20th, 2007 at 8:13 am
Actually, in my post I asked, “Tell me, in terms of logic and empirical data, what’s wrong with sport hunting?”
Your post here really provided neither.
What you have provided is fine for what it is… your opinion and your FEELINGS. That’s all well and good, but are you suggesting that all 20 million American hunters should stop hunting simply based on your feelings?
Consider that, with all the implications it carries please.
If you don’t like hunting, then don’t hunt. You don’t have to. No one is asking you to. It really is a simple choice.
December 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
I am very sorry my opinion came out so wrong. Unfortunately it was quit misunderstood. Would you mind if I re-posted it more clearly now that I can see some of the reasons it was misunderstood? It was in fact not based simply on theory and I in no way was trying to say that hunters should quit simply based on my feelings. That would be ridiculous.
I would love to re-post this time I promise I will state more clearly and with less rambling. Or, if the author of this would simply like to debate over email I would be open to that as well.
Once more, sorry for the misunderstanding.
December 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
I think your opinion came across perfectly clearly. There was very little room for misinterpretation. You think sport hunting is a bad thing because you think it’s wrong to kill animals for recreation. Did I misunderstand that?
There’s nothing there to debate. That’s been my whole point all along, both here and in the original discussion on the other blog site. You can’t debate “feelings” and “opinions”. There are no facts there, and there is nothing to prove. If you feel that way, you feel that way. End of discussion.
You no more have to justify your feelings than I have to justify mine. Just live by them.
December 21st, 2007 at 10:25 am
“You no more have to justify your feelings than I have to justify mine. Just live by them.” BINGO!
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